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liam hughes My first time using these products.( copper and patina solution) ...the trick is to apply a second coat of paint and wait until its just about touch dry..this can be less than 20 mins on a warm day..then apply the patina solution liberally..and wait up to an hour..if you have too much coverage you can buff it off and touch up with more paint...but be sure to remove as much patina as you can with clean damp rags ( soaked and squeezed out)..you can then apply more copper if needed. Nice effect if used properly.